Console prices dropping like campers in cs

[Stanley]

WOO HOO!!!! Apperently even those of us whoare poor can afford to own consoles again. The gods at Microsoft and Sony are lowering the prices of console systems. The PS2 has been officially dropped to 199 and XBox is expected to be dropped to 199. It's as if they want me own a video game system now. Now if only i still had a TV tuner...

Hmm....now if only I could easily copy ps2 or xbox games.

[jyorke]

You can get a universal upscan converter to hook any composite and/or s-video device directly to a computer monitor for about $35. Â*Also, both X-Box and PS2 have available native VGA adapters (which are better). Â*About copying games: it's easy enough to copy PS2 games (especially CD ones as opposed to DVD ones), the issue is playing them :-P . Â*Mod chips (to play imports and copies) are available for PS and are becoming available for X-Box, but they are hard to install (30+ wires for the good PS2 ones and all X-Box ones).

I personally like the PS2 more (because of available games, included DVD playback (X-Box DVD playback costs extra), controller layout, and PSX game compatibility), but the hard drive included with the X-Box makes it attractive. Â*However, Sony will be releasing the PS2 hard drive and ethernet kit soon, and that should be cool. Â*In addition, the hard drive for the PS2 Linux kit (http://www.us.playstation.com/product....=145805 (http://www.us.playstation.com/product_detail/product_detail.jhtml?PRODID=337933&CATID=490&_requestid=145805)) can be converted to serve both as a game and Linux hard drive using the hard drive utility disc (not included with the linux kit, but included with the other HD kit).

Anyways, interesting times in the console world.

[benwalburg]

Greetings:
Hey all I have a PS2...and a 'shark' mod-chip..it wasn't the hardest to nstall it jsut took time. They come with pictures and instructions. Burning them, isn't that hard, there are a lotta coping programs...what works nice is renting them from block buster (not that I do http://campcaen.engin.umich.edu/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif ) and then coping them (for $4 you get a $50 dollar game) I also know a friend with a hard drive in his ps2....I dunno bout that yet...Well...my computer fits be best..screw consols...geforce4 ti 4600 and 1 gig of rdram and a pent. 4 or Xp 1500-2000 will do me good.

[Aftershock]

Will is gonna be bringing his X-box, and I'll be bringing all my games to camp. Prolly have 4 controllers in our room, will be fun. For X-box I am bringing Amped, Halo, NFL Fever, NHL Hits. I think Will is bringing SSX Tricky or something like that.

[jyorke]

I really like SSX tricky, except that I'm a Tony Hawk player, and I end up holding down the ollie button, which is a BAD idea in SSX.

Oh, and another random thought: has anyone tried one of those new "small" X-Box controllers? The "normal" ones are HUGE, and I'm wondering if the new ones feel any more natural (like a SNES or PSX/PS2 controller feels).

[-D12-_LMN8R]

I'll be bringing my Gamecube + Super Smash Bros, Super Monkey Ball, Rogue Leader, and Tony Hawk 3. Â*On June 24th, Eternal Darkness also comes out. Â*For all of your Gamecube owners or Gamecube I'm-thinking-of-buying-one-but-not-sure people, Eternal Darkness will be THE game to own of 2002............until Metroid of course. Â*People compare it to Resident Evil, but it is ohhhh so much more. Â*Find all you can about it and read up on it Â*http://campcaen.engin.umich.edu/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

For you non-believers, I'll be playing that in my room most of the time Â* http://campcaen.engin.umich.edu/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

I have three controllers right now, and the wireless controllers come out early June for $35 - I'll be getting me one of those http://campcaen.engin.umich.edu/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Stanley]

Jordan,
i know you love you Nintendo, and all. But it's time to get a big boy console. Seriously, some of us remember your continuel hyping of the GBA. Am I a doubter of the Cube? Oh h#lls yeah. First, after playing it, i wasn't impressed. Yes i played the star wars game (i don't remember which). Also, for those of us who were in high school when the N64 came out, there's a strange sense of De ja vu with this system. Notice the lack of diehard, must have, only on GameCube titles. The same thing happend with the N64. Sure there were good games, but not enough to warrent owning the system. The same is happening here. And I am not the only one to notice:

http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2002-02-25&res=l (http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2002-02-25&res=l)

(warning: there is some strong language)

Is there potential for the system. Yes. But at the same time, I can get a ps2 for the same price, have more games and a fully functioning dvd player (and thanks to justin, i can play it on my monitor). What really hurts is the fact that the PS2 is outselling everyone (i mean units shipped per time period, so when all three are out, ps2 still outsells) followed by xbox. This could be a problem because developers tend to create for what is hot (the same reason PC's always get priority with games over Macs), so the best games are more likely to be developed for the ps2. About the only game I'm interested in that isn't out yet for ps2 is Jet Set Radio Future. And it's only a matter of time. HAHAHAHAHA....sorry. Anyway. That's just my 2¢.

[simonsj]

i have been paying much attention to this while it was developing and after, and here are my thoughts (from your average avid gamer who plans on making games for a living):
-the gamecube is just a console, and it does not come with all the extras that ps2 or the xbox promise. everything about it is small and compact, but it is also very fast and does very well with what it has. i personally think it has the best controller out of the three, and while the games are not of the greatest caliber as of yet, they never are for an initial release of a system. think of the ps2 when it first came out, all the games sucked. developers are only now utilizing the full capabilities of the system after several years. plus it is extremely portible, and i never quite grew up either.
- the ps2, if you are looking for the best games when you buy the console, easily wins. they have the most impressive collection thus far, why? since they have been on the market over a year before the others and developers are used to programming for it more. the controller is decent, and works surprisingly well for DVD playback. However, it is still essentially the same controller that they first started out with, and while that was great for its time, things have come a ways since. this console also has the most beautiful game yet (in my option), the great FFX from square.
- the xbox (*snicker*), is in my mind a wannabe console. it is very much a little computer, and reflects this in several ways. yes, it is the most powerful of the systems, and comes with impressive things like a hard drive, and DVD playback (provided you line microsoft's pockets a little more), and other such things. However, in terms of the selection of games, i think it is by far has the worst lot of them. Granted, i have not played many, but those that i have tried were lacking in general gameplay overall (yes, but they look great...). Halo was probably the best so far, but it also reaffirms my belief that first person games do not work on consoles. It can be stated that the gamecube has a few good games, and the xbox has a lot more medicore games. Also, do not get me started on the controller, the most bulkiest and cumbersome thing to come across with yet. I prefer the nintendo brick to this thing. Not to mention, i am a firm believer of keeping microsoft in software development, and out of the home theatre area.
those are my thoughts on that, i prefer the gamecube to those who want to know. and justin, too bad i let my roommate take my tony (w/ memcard) home with him, cause i am sure we could have a lot of fun playing 'horse' on that thing. but anyway, choose what you want to choose, i still say the pc is the ultimate platform, though it needs to work on user-friendlyness a bit more still.

[Stanley]

all I can about great games at release:
Tekken Tag
SSX

yeah...

[GPeszek]

TTT friggin rocks! http://campcaen.engin.umich.edu/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

I had the pleasure (?) of playing on an x-box the other day...can't say I was too terribly impressed. Maybe I'll have better luck with a PS2 or GC.

GBAs rock - I got one of those flash linkers and they made a program that lets you play all NES roms on the GBA with it. I fit about 50-75 NES roms. My favorites; crash + the boys' street challenge, punch out, ff1

well worth the money

[Stanley]

Ok, as much as everyone seems to hate Microsoft and the XBox, but last night I played Jet Set Radio Future for the first time and....yeah. Game is AWSOME!!! This game is so sweet it hurts. Now I realize some people may not be cool enough to understand JSRF, but that doesn't matter. This game makes it very difficult for me to not own an Xbox. That's all I can say.

[jyorke]

The reason that I hate Microsoft is as follows:

That game is for X-Box, ergo, it is written in Direct3D. Â*If Sega simply added hard drive saving and (hopefully) mouse and keyboard input into the game, it could be ported to the PC, maybe without even recomiling the thing (X-Box is an x86 system after all), and it would run on any system with a GeForce 3/4 or Radeon2 easily (seeing as how the X-Box uses a modified GF3). Â*However, since the game is an "X-Box exclusive," Sega cannot make the easy PC port.

it's sad for us X-Box-less gamers...

The console itself is a pretty solid machine, and if someone could hack them to run Linux or another real PC OS, I'd be all over it as a second PC. Although it only has 64 MB RAM, it could still be a nice little box for $200. oh well

[GPeszek]

I think its actually a sad time for console gamers.

I've never, ever had faith in Sega. The games have been medicore at best and their consoles drop so fast it makes my head spin. I remember when they totally dropped the Genesis because it "wasn't our [sega's] future", so they pushed for the Saturn...the biggest blunder they made. Then Saturn died, so they made up Dreamcast. Which of course is a horrible console at best. I cannot begin to tell you how happy I am that Sega's finally out of the console making business and is focusing where they truly should be: games.

Nintendo has a great kiddy customer base, but thats about it. SNES was clearly ahead of Genesis (mostly because the Genesis was supposed to be an NES contender, not an SNES contender). N64 was a nice effort, I loved the fact that they broke away from the standard joypad and made a true console game controler. Gamecube now is not geared toward the 16+ crowd, but rather the under 16s. Sad though, it could really do well if they actually made games that we'd spring for.

I personally was never a huge fan of the PSX, mostly due to the poor graphics (the game designers pushed it way beyond its hardware limits) and crazy load times. PS2 is a solid system, but I was really wishing they'd get rid of the 400 button controlers. Personally http://campcaen.engin.umich.edu/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

XBox got on my nerves from day 1. If I wanted a computer, I'd buy a computer. Not a Windows-clone wannabe computer "console" system. Plus its made by MS, so thats a strike against it right there. I sat down and played some of the games for it the other day, nice looking at all but lacked gameplay and control.

So thats about it...theres nothing huge about console games this year. PS2 maybe, GC maybe...but other than that its sad. Makes me long for the late 90s http://campcaen.engin.umich.edu/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[-D12-_LMN8R]

Bleh, your usual console war. Â*I'm just confused as to why people mistaken the word "kiddie" for "fun"?

Super Smash Bros. - Cute, and you may say it's the same as the n64 version with minor improvements. Â*It's not. Â*But whatever, your opinion is your opinion. There is much more strategy involved, from better shield use, to dodging, to reflecting projectiles and more. Tons of characters, levels, and other things like trophys to collect. Much much more, AND much more fun. Not to mention a pretty good single-player mode as well.

Super Monkey Ball - if you have not played this game you are missing out on truely one of the best puzzle games ever created. Â*This game alone has made me glad that Sega is a 3rd party company.

And about it having only kiddie games? Â*Star wars isn't kiddie.

Resident Evil is EXCLUSIVE to Gamecube. Â*Yes, the entire existing series for remakes, plus all-new 0 and 4. Â*I'm not a huge fan of the series, but seriously - why would capcom agree to a deal to make it exclusive if it had only a kid user base? Â*Sure, Nintendo paid them great deals of money to get it exclusive, but Sony would've paid them a lot too.

Eternal Darkness will be the only truely mature game. Â*Anyone under 17-18 simply won't understand the concepts, and won't be able to play the game. Â*Yes, it will have gore, violence, language. Â*But if you could say such a thing, violence and gore is the simple mature way of things. Â*Eternal Darkness will be pretty much the first REAL mature game. Â*You will see at camp, if I let you play it.

Metroid Prime? Â*If you say this is for kids only, I'll shoot you.
Turok 3 is coming to all systems
Soul Calibur 2, plenty more as well.

You people have only done what Microsoft and Sony want you to do - make you believe that a game can only be fun if it has plenty of violence, and GTA 3 esque rapage and hookers (GTA 3 kicks buttox by the way). Â*No matter how much you want to deny it, Super Mario 64 is still the greatest platformer, not to mention overall game, ever in almost EVERYONE's opinions, and the next mario will only improve on that. Â*No matter how dumb some people thing the new Zelda cell-shaded look is, it's Zelda - how could it be bad? Â*

Pokemon? Â*Ok, fine, you win that one. Â*But all the more reason to play Super Smash Bros. - you get to kick the pooey out of all the pokemon you want!!

Yes, the other two systems have DVD players, and XBox even has a hard drive and ethernet adapter. Â*They are awesome systems. Â*But Stan and Greg, tell me this - why would I like GBA and GC so much if there weren't good games for it? Â*I mean, DDR isn't on GC and I still play that Â*http://campcaen.engin.umich.edu/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Â*Greg, I still dont' see it though - I'm 17, and Gamecube is fine for me. Â*My brother, who is 22, and his friends played GC for hours last night and tonight. Â*Plus, GC was JUST released in Europe a couple weeks ago. Â*What was the median age of the buyer? Â*About 22 if I remember correctly. Â*My brother has a PS2, and I play it sometimes, and it's an awesome system. MGS2, FFX (btw Final Fantasy is also on its way to GBA and GC now). Â*A couple of my friends have XBoxes, they are cool as well. Fun games, but I really don't feel like buying a console that does everything that my computer can already do. Halo will eventually come out on PC, Project Ego, no matter how awesome it'll be - I don't like many RPGs. Others, they are either coming to Gamecube or I just have no interest in them.

But if buying a "big-boy console," as you call it, means giving up on Metroid, Star Fox, F-Zero, Zelda, Mario, Eternal Darkness, Super Monkey Ball, and countless other games, screw it.

[GPeszek]

If I had to choose, I'd take GC. Trust me, I'm all for it. Its biggest drawbacks is the fact that there are so few quality "mature" games out for it. I for one love SSM (it was god on the N64) and SSM:M is great too. But yeah, its a kiddie game. What I give props to Nintendo for is making a kiddie game so darn appealing to the older kids.

For the games geared to older players...sure GC has the quality aspect down pat, but when it comes down the numbers it loses out big time (*especially* to the PS2) http://campcaen.engin.umich.edu/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif

[-D12-_LMN8R]

And I agree - Gamecube sucks......now. When it launched, it had a TON of awesome games, and starting this June with Eternal Darkness, it WILL have a ton of awesome games, but right now, it's very lacking. But thanks to my new-found addiction to DDR, and the ability to play all those PC games with my new computer, I have enough to tide me over till then http://campcaen.engin.umich.edu/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Stanley]

Ok, Jordan, how much is Nintendo paying you? No offense, but every time you post it's: NINTENDO RULES!!!! everyone else....don't bother. So yeah...anyway.

Now, I'd like to start off by saying that I agree with Greg's general message, right now, it does suck for console gamers. But it's not the consoles, in their own right, they are all INCREDIBLE. The problem is the GAMES and the NUMBER of consoles. Let's face it, the market is over-satuated with good consoles with games that are good. The problem is, Nintendo and Microsoft were late getting their products out they wrapped developers into "Our system only" contracts for certain games. The problem is, the "must have" games don't have any systems in common. The reason I have been hesitant to even think about buying a system is that there hasn't been a "dude this game is SWEEET i gotta own a\n [insert console name here]" I mean, let's look at the systems:

Gamecube:
Smash Bros: So yeah, it's the same game as before...with more people, levels and graphics, right?
Res: Nintendo tries to sheds it's kiddie image.....again. Good game, but I've never been interested in the series.
yeah that's about it for GC, I haven't had any reason to be interested in it

PS:
GTA3: i knew it was coming out for PC so no point
FFX: It's more of a movie than a game from what i'm told, and I just don't have the interest i used to
MGS: Watched a friend play, looked cool, but i wasn't into the ps version

Xbox:
Halo: I've played it with 10 people, it's really not that great a game. No console should ever attempt an FPS.
JSRF: Ok...this game.....SWWWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEET. It's the only game i have cravings to play that's not on a pc.

As we can see, a lack of a must have gamage on the console. Think what you want, but that's how i see things.

[Stanley]

I'm sorry, but you can't say a system is gonna be great based on some screen shots posted on the web. Why do I say this, one word: Daikatana. I'm also going to point out the N64 debacle. While it didn't completely flop here, everywhere else it died. And the same thing happened, few games in the begining. A few quality games dispersed throughout the years but not enough to really push the system.

Currently, the system to beat to beat is PS2. Say what you want about being released earlier, when the sales figures came in, PS2 outsold both Xbox and GC for the same time period. Now if only it could play JSRF.

[-D12-_LMN8R]

Stan:

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And I agree - Gamecube sucks......now. When it launched, it had a TON of awesome games, and starting this June with Eternal Darkness, it WILL have a ton of awesome games, but right now, it's very lacking.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

did you even read that? lol

And about dikatana......don't even get me started......

http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=1999-11-22&amp;res=l (http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=1999-11-22&res=l)

end of story.

[simonsj]

just want to disagree with greg about the major hit against the dreamcast. I think it is a great system, the only problem with it was the launch date. While it is a better system than the N64 and PSX (its competitors at its launch), and has some great games for it (SoulCaliber, Resident Evils, Jet Set Radio, etc) most people opted to wait for the next gen consoles, which are out finally. I think it is also a very good time for a gamer, however, everyone seems to forget the one or two year lag before really inventive and powerful games start to come out, as they are finally doing for the PS2. I wouldn't recommend running out and buying a console just because, but be patient, and the games will slowly but surely come out the door.

[-D12-_LMN8R]

I just noticed something quite odd:

Here Stan is, beginning this arguement by saying that I &quot;need to grow up and buy a big boy console&quot; and &quot;how much is Nintendo paying you.&quot; Then he goes on to say that the only worthwhile game on that &quot;big boy console&quot; is Jet Set Radio Future - a cartoony, but fun, game. Then he completely ignores the multiple times that I've said that Smash Bros. is much different from the original, that Eternal Darkness will be the first TRUELY mature game, and that Metroid Prime is definitally a mature game, and countless others as well.

Stan, don't you realize it? The only game you enjoy is hardly the most &quot;mature&quot; game out there, and in fact even uses cell shading, yes, the same cell shading that makes Zelda look so kiddie. I think it's time that people shut up about the looks of games, and realize - who cares how &quot;cute&quot; it is, is it fun?

[Stanley]

Alright, time to try and set the record straight.

As for eternal darkness, it sounds like a silent hill game. Now, I haven't played either (those games aren't my bag, baby) but from what I've been told, those are incredibly mature, and I believe Silent Hill 2 is out for PS2. Just because it's not on Nintendo doesn't mean it's not worthwhile.

Next, this brings me to the ironic comment I made:
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ok, Jordan, how much is Nintendo paying you? No offense, but every time you post it's: NINTENDO RULES!!!! everyone else....don't bother.[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>
Now, I made this comment, because over the past two years, whenever you make a comment about a video game system, it's to the effect of this simple formula:

Call Other companies products lame + Tout newest Nintendo Product + Predict rise to top of market again.

Now, Jordan, i understand your loyalty, that's good, but you can give it a rest. Some people just aren't going to buy Nintendo.

Finally, Jordan, if you're going to quote, you have to actually quote. Paraphrasing words like that falsly leads people. All I said was I found a game I found enjoyable enough to want to own a system. As for cartoony, it's actually done in an anime style, which is different from cartoony. If you've played the game, you'd understand, but it sounds like you haven't. But that's moot.
The real problem is you have apperently not read what I said before. What I said about growing up and buying a big boy console, was a joke towards the fact that Nintendo has the image of being very kiddy. But, I can see how that was hard to catch.
Finaly, I'm going to respond to this comment:

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Stan, don't you realize it? Â*The only game you enjoy is hardly the most &quot;mature&quot; game out there, and in fact even uses cell shading, yes, the same cell shading that makes Zelda look so kiddie. Â*I think it's time that people shut up about the looks of games, and realize - who cares how &quot;cute&quot; it is, is it fun?[/QUOTE]<span id='postcolor'>

Jordan, I never said that it was the most mature game. Nor, did I say it was the only game I enjoy, it's merely the only game I feel I can't live without. I LOVE playing Tekken Tag, SSX, and GTA3, but not enough to want to own PS2. Final Fantasy looks cool, but I don't have time.

I would also like to point out something about animation. As in standard animation, the look of how something is drawn greatly tells you who it's drawn for. There is a difference between Aladdin and say...Akira. The same thing happens in cell shading. Based on looks alone, JSRF looks like it's target audience is older than the target audience for Zelda. This is mainly because JSRF uses an anime style (intedend for slightly older viewers) while Zelda (key word) appears to be drawn in a what is called SuperDeformed. Usually things in super deformed are meant for younger viewers. Now, since no one has actually PLAYED Zelda, we can't be sure. Just like now one has PLAYED a lot of these games you keep touting for the future.

Finally, yes Jordan, I realized it wasn't the most mature game, but if you had READ what i had to say, and not ignored it because it wasn't pro Nintendo, you would have realized that I didn't care about Mature games, I just wanted a game I found fun. If you'll notice, I'm not pro anything, Mainly because I don't know what I want. ALthough I do know that as of now GC offers me (personally, not the world, Jordan) nothing. So I probably won't buy one. So Jordan, I'm going to ask for my own sanity, please stop trying to convince me to buy a system I have no desire in owning.

[-D12-_LMN8R]

Not trying to convince, only trying to learn, and thanks. Sheesh.

.........Bring on E3!!!

(btw Gamecube's price is now officially $150) http://campcaen.engin.umich.edu/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

ok I shut up now.

Stan, IM me when ya get the chance, about a little drumming thing.

[-D12-_LMN8R]

Best..............E3...............efar...........

Everyone needs to scrounge up as much media from this show as they can. There is so much good stuff for all the systems it's making my head spin *cough*MetroidE3gameoftheshow*cough*Zeldalookisn't thatbadafterallbutlooksawesome!!*cough*

whew

[wzoo1]

Im either getting a PS2 or XBOX. Xbox is also made by MS(Microsoft) and their games are MOSTLY ported PC games(duh...). But I heard the xbox actually uses a intel cpu chip inside or something. But i also heard ps2 is better. Im definetly getting one of those. Which should I get??? (Xbox or PS2)

[aromine]

i have an xbox, and i have been very pleased with it so far. In my opinion, the xbox will start to become more and more dominant in the console world as more 3rd party developers begin to release games for it. Yes, right now the ps2 has more, better games. I think tho, that because of the xbox's higher capability, a year from now it will be dominating the scene. as far as games available now go we have: some of the (imho) good games available now:

Halo - imho best FPS sice half-life (partly because i am a fan of single-player). Microsoft has said before that this game is xbox only - it may or may not be coming out for PC.
Jet Set Radio Future - stan has said it all - a very cool, addictive game
Dead Or Alive 3 - i liked DOA better than tekken and virtua fighter... soul calibur 2 is comin out for all 3 platforms

also, many of the good games for PS2 have also been released for Xbox (ssx tricky, THPS3, Spiderman to name a few) and in most cases, the xbox versions are superior to their PS2 counterparts


hmm... not too many out right now, but lets take a look at the upcoming releases:


Morrowind(end of May, already out for PC) - from what i've heard of Morrowind on the PC, it seems to be a very open-ended, enormously large-scale game: an RPG lover's dream.

Project Ego(undisclosed - predicted Q2/Q3 2002) - this RPG is supposed to be more combat intensive and also quite open-ended: your character develops and grows based on how you choose to play him. confirmed xbox only

Blinx(Holiday season 2002) - two letters(characters, rather): 4D. In this amazingly innovative title, you take the role of a cat who can manipulate time - rewind, fast-forward, slow down, record, etc. As you play the game, everything is recorded to the hard drive, allowing time manipulation. so far - xbox only

Jedi Knight 2(gawd i love this game) - this awesome game for the PC is in development for the xbox. 'nuff said

Star Wars:Knights of the Old Republic(Q4 2002) - this bioware RPG is set 4,000 years before a new hope and looks to be very promising. also coming out for the pc, but will be released for the xbox first; lucasarts didn't want it to compete with galaxies on PC so they are not releasing until afterwards


Quite a line-up if you ask me. personally, i am not at all regretting my decision to purcase an xbox. while the ps2 has the best games atm, i think the xbox will quickly close that gap and eventually become the dominant platform

[-D12-_LMN8R]

Sum up:

PS2 - best console right now

XBox - Best RPGs, Halo (best console FPS out there, if not including PC as well), JSRF (very addictive and fun/unique gaming experience from reviews I've read and impressions I've heard).

Blinx sound extremely interesting, Project Ego - we'll have to see. Probably not for non-RPG fans.

Gamecube - Metroid (game of E3), Mario (true sequel to Mario 64, finally), Zelda (looks VERY cool after seeing tons of actual gameplay from E3), Eternal Darkness (No Stan, NOT similar to Silent Hill, trust me http://campcaen.engin.umich.edu/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif. Scary on a different level http://campcaen.engin.umich.edu/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif)


We shall have to see. Right now XBox and PS2 are $200, and Gamecube is $150, so you're getting an amazing deal no matter what console you get.

[Stanley]

Jordan,
all i can say is that, metroid may be &quot;game of E3&quot; but from what I understand, what truly stole the show was actually the Doom 3 engine. I'm not saying anything against consoles and such, but praise be to Carmack. Alright, back to bed.

[-D12-_LMN8R]

Oh absolutely, Doom 3 is by far the best-looking game I've ever seen http://campcaen.engin.umich.edu/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif It's one of the first PC games to actually use the vertex and pixel shaders that GeForce 4 Ti cards support.

[jyorke]

My only problem with Doom 3 and it's use of the vertex/pixel shaders is this: If I don't have them, will it look like absolute ####? I don't think that this issue has been addressed, but if so it means I have to buy a GF3 or GF4, which is an expenditure of money I don't want to make. My GF2MX is perfectly suited to the casual amount of gaming that I do now.

I will attempt to summarize this entire debate on consoles (no offense intended to anyone in this conversation).

http://cardboarden.tripod.com/nintendofanboy.jpg
http://cardboarden.tripod.com/ps2fanboy.jpg
http://cardboarden.tripod.com/xboxfanboy.jpg
http://cardboarden.tripod.com/pcfanboy.jpg

Repeat, ad nauseum

LOL

nice

[wzoo1]

Those pictures wont work... Your pictures are hosted by Tripod, and Tripod free webhosting service DOES NOT ALLOW YOU TO LINK IMAGES FROM A 3rd party website... So we only see a &quot;Image hosted by Tripod&quot; image when we click those links... That sucks...

[simonsj]

cut and paste, my brother, cut and paste...

LOL! Those pictures are so funny!!!